Your Analysis: Is Carr a top-5 QB?

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Your Analysis: Is Carr a top-5 QB?

Postby DeadRinger » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:31 am

I was reading some articles today, and everyone heaps massive praise on Carr. But all of it is based on what he's going to do in 2017, 2018 and beyond. I started looking through some career numbers with the question: Is Carr in the top-5 RIGHT NOW?

My conclusion: Not quite, yet.

The top 3 are locked up: Brady, Rodgers, Brees. I seriously doubt anyone else breaks into the top-3 until one of those guys retires.

That leaves 2 spots.

The first guy who comes to mind for me is Big Ben. Looking at his body of work, I have to put him at #4. One could try to argue he's better than Brees, but that argument wouldn't be successful. Ben's 35, and still he made the pro bowl in each of his last 3 seasons (not that I think pro bowls are a great metric anymore, with so many of the best players skipping it). He's getting injured more often, but his ability when he's on the field has not dropped at all. Yeah, he has a couple great players around him right now, but he has gotten the job done with less, so that's a moot point. Last season he started only 14 games, but his overall stats are better than 90% of the guys who lasted the entire year. Add in 2 Lombardi's, an OROY, and the fact that there's NO doubt in my mind he could still lead his team to another SB win, and I have to put Ben at #4, and the best of what I consider the "close second tier" of guys.

After Ben, there's a legitimate argument for Carr. Who are the other guys I feel like he's competing with there?

Matthew Stafford. This dude has thrown for more than 4200 yds in his last 5 seasons. In 2011, he threw for 5000 yds. But I look at two critical stats - TD:INT ratio and QB rating, and that pushes Carr past Stafford IMO.

Matt Ryan. Threw for more than 4500 yds in his last 5 seasons. Went to the SB last year, but even though he played well for the majority of the game, I was singularly unimpressed with how he and the rest of his team choked away a sure win on the biggest stage in the world. To me, that sums up Ryan in a nutshell. He has taken his team to the playoffs in 5 of his 9 seasons, but 3 of those were 1-and-outs. This is a guy who cracks under pressure. His stats were off the charts last season, but again, Carr's career TD:INT ratio push him past Ryan. I just don't think Ryan is "up to" winning a Lombardi, but I'm convinced that Carr is. And when you take care of the football like Carr does, you should def get your chance at one or two of them in your career.

That's 2 down. Who else?

I don't give a shit what anyone says, Russell Wilson's not in the same league. Maybe tier 3.

Cam Newton is among the best passers I've seen when it comes to running QBs, but he's inefficient as hell and too inconsistent. Another guy who went to the SB and couldn't close the deal. In fact, he was pretty shitty in that SB, when they needed him most. It's hard to blame him for losing to DEN's avalanche defense, but I don't like to make excuses for people. Carr is way ahead of Cam in most of the important ways, so Carr wins here as well.

To me, the #5 spot is between Carr and Philip Rivers. Carr has a much better QB:INT ratio, but Rivers' career completion % , career QB rating and the fact that he has thrown for more than 4200 yds in each of his last 4 seasons mean that Rivers gets the nod at #5. In fact, if he could take care of the ball like Carr does, he'd probably have a couple rings to sport.

So there you have it.

"Head of the Class"
1. Brady
2. Rodgers
3. Brees

"Close second tier"
4. Big Ben
5. Rivers
6. Carr
7. Ryan
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Re: Your Analysis: Is Carr a top-5 QB?

Postby silver & black » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:45 am

Sounds about right to me. Carr should break into elite status in the next couple of years.

I never thought Ben got the credit he deserves. I'm not a Steelers fan by a long shot, but the guy is clutch.... kind of reminds me of Snake the way he finds ways to win. Rivers......... No matter how good he might be....... fuck that bitch! :lol:
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Re: Your Analysis: Is Carr a top-5 QB?

Postby DeadRinger » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:57 am

silver & black wrote:Sounds about right to me. Carr should break into elite status in the next couple of years.

I never thought Ben got the credit he deserves. I'm not a Steelers fan by a long shot, but the guy is clutch.... kind of reminds me of Snake the way he finds ways to win. Rivers......... No matter how good he might be....... fuck that bitch! :lol:

I had to suppress my gag reflex to put Rivers ahead of Carr, but the numbers don't lie. In the end, I think history will show that Carr is a better QB than Rivers, but right now, and even going into 2017, you can't be intellectually honest and say Carr's the better player.

I like the comparison to Snake, because Ben avoids getting sacked like Snake did. His pocket presence/intuition is second to none, and he's freakin' impossible to take down.
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Re: Your Analysis: Is Carr a top-5 QB?

Postby FreddieB25 » Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:40 pm

Carr has to win in the playoffs because of his efforts and execution in crucial situations of games to put games away to be considered top three for me. Winning in Tampa in October is a different animal than winning in Pittsburgh or New England in January...all the great ones make big plays in January!!!
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